In this emotional and disturbing breakdown, Lauren Matthias walks through the defense’s final attempt to explain Tanner’s behavior through trauma, autism spectrum traits, fetal alcohol exposure, and childhood neglect… before the prosecution delivers a devastating rebuttal witness from Tanner’s own past. We unpack the expert testimony, the battle over future dangerousness, the prosecution and defense closing arguments, and the jury’s final decision to sentence Tanner Horner to death. This episode also explores the psychological themes at the center of the case — remorse, manipulation, predatory behavior, and whether understanding someone’s past can ever explain unimaginable violence.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
2:14- Defense Psychologist Dr. Jolie Brams
27:04- Timothy Fitzpatrick
38:12- Billy, Tanner's cousin
46:27 - Dr. Arambula
1:09:47- Jury Instructions
1:13:25- Prosecution Closing
1:27:00- Defense Closing
1:45:49- Prosecution Rebuttal
1:55:19- Verdict
1:58:44- Victim impact statement
2:03:28 - Closing
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Lauren Matthias was a television reporter for a decade. She and her husband, Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders of Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow.
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